Senate Intelligence Chairman Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) on Tuesday became the latest high-profile Democrat to defend Speaker Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) from GOP critics who say she has not been forthcoming about what she knew about the Bush administrations enhanced interrogation techniques.
I think its a tempest in a teapot really, to say, well, Speaker Pelosi should have known all of this. She should have stopped it. She should have done this or done that, Feinstein told reporters. You know, Id say the same thing to others. It doesnt usually happen that way. You have to understand it and that takes time.
Feinstein said the classified briefing Pelosi received in 2002 when the Speaker was serving as ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee was likely designed to be as vague as possible on the techniques the CIA planned to use or was using on suspected terrorists. Media reports have suggested that Pelosis initial briefing included information on the George W. Bush administrations use of waterboarding and other methods that critics describe as torture.
Feinstein added that the release of CIA documents showing who in Congress was briefed and when was likely designed to shift the blame.
I assume the aim was to do just what was done. Which is to essentially say, Well, theyre responsible because they knew, said Feinstein. Well, what did they know? How did they know it? What was the circumstance? How were they notified? Was it really discussed what they were doing over what period of time? ... I dont want to go too far, but the answer to the question is, no, it was not.
She added, Its very hard to know exactly what anybody was actually told unless you were there.
Feinstein was the latest high-ranking Democrat to come to Pelosis defense on Tuesday. Earlier in the day, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) also sought to deflect criticism of the Speaker on the matter.
Feinstein, who said she was not briefed on the interrogation methods until the end of 2006, said her experience has been that the CIA designs the briefings to be as benign as possible.
Theyre not going to tell you about excesses or problems. They do it in a benign manner, she said.
Feinstein noted that it took her some time to piece together what she had actually learned at her initial briefing.
Its often hard to really pin it down. I know it took me a little bit of time when I had the first briefing, she said. What began to dawn on me is, all of this is dependent on how these things are administered, in what combination, over what period of time, what the detention circumstances are, what the sanitary conditions, how the detainee is treated, what hes fed until it becomes a very big circle that youve got to pierce to get inside to see what the real effect of something is.
Feinstein also hinted that her own panels investigation into the interrogation techniques is at least partially focused on whether CIA agents who participated engaged in wrongdoing.
Because you brief or notify doesnt mean theres any less responsibility of the CIA, any less responsibility of the individual who participates in this, in my opinion, she said. I mean, were all adults. We all know good from bad. And how you carry out an order is also very important.
President Barack Obama, who has banned the use of enhanced interrogation techniques, has said CIA agents who followed the Bush administrations legal advice should not be prosecuted. But the president has appeared to leave open the possibility that agents who overstepped the bounds of the legal justifications might be open to charges.
Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., right, hugs Harold Schaitberger, General President of the International Association of Fire Fighters, after the Congressman spoke at the IAFF's Legislative Conference General Session at the Hyatt Regency on Capitol Hill, March 9, 2015. The day featured addresses by members of Congress and Vice President Joe Biden.