Donni Turner never imagined herself as a lobbyist. Nothing against the field, she said. The thought just didnt occur to her when she graduated from Howard University in 1998.
When I was in law school, I did not know of a black lobbyist, said Turner, who is now a principal at the Podesta Group. I thought I either had to be a litigator, go to the corporate world or get a government job.
But shifting cultural attitudes and diversity recruiting downtown and on Capitol Hill appear to be changing the way that many African-Americans view their career options.
An African-American family now lives in the White House, and Podestas senior black lobbyists make up a higher ratio among their peers at the firm than African-Americans do in the overall population.
Even more, black lobbyists say they are beginning to see fissures in the once-rigid stereotype of former Congressional Black Caucus staffers being exclusively hired to influence their old CBC colleagues after they leave the Hill.
In a recent interview at their Chinatown offices, Podestas six African-American lobbyists reflected on their experiences on the Hill, at the firm and in corporate boardrooms. And while more minorities than ever before have found opportunities in Congress and on K Street during the past decade, Podestas retention of six black lobbyists is definitely the exception and not the rule downtown.
There are government relations offices around town that can take a very broad view, said Walter Pryor, a Podesta lobbyist. And then you look in other places, and the firms speak for themselves.
Paul Brathwaite, the firms most senior black lobbyist, came to Podesta soon after the Democrats gained a majority in Congress almost three years ago. At the time, he was the firms only black lobbyist. Podestas first African-American hire, Beverly Barnes, left more than 10 years ago to join the Clinton administration.
Brathwaite, who had been the CBCs executive director, said the culture and prominence of the Podesta franchise made the move attractive.
Pryor soon followed Brathwaite to the firm. During his interview, Pryor recalled, he realized that Brathwaite was already working there. And although the interview process was going well, he assumed they would pass on hiring him.
I was, like, Its too bad they already have their CBC person because Id really like to go there, Pryor remembered.
Black lobbyists describe being pigeonholed for years as their firms entree to the CBC, the nearly 40-year-old caucus that now has 41 members, including chairmen of four House committees.
There were some exceptions.
Smith Davis, an African-American partner at Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld, said lobbying black lawmakers was a small part of his job when he began working at the firm decades ago.
Davis, a Republican, also spoke about the changing attitudes toward race in Washington, D.C., since he started lobbying 30 years ago. And he should know: Davis skin color does not make it obvious that he is African-American.
Sen. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., takes a selfie with Faye, a pot belly pig, after a news conference held by Citizens Against Government Waste at the Phoenix Park Hotel to release the 2015 Congressional Pig Book which identifies pork-barrel spending in Congress, May 13, 2015.